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welcome back everybody to another

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amazing episode of uap studies podcast

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jay i'm super jacked we have another

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powerhouse woman in ufology and we've

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been getting a few lately and it's very

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refreshing

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absolutely um she's been an influence on

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us because she's produced a lot of the

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shows that we've seen she started a lot

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of the shows that we've seen before we

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even started the podcast so it's amazing

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to have melissa on today yeah i mean she

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produced ancient aliens the first four

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or five seasons and we want to ask her

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about that and she's made documentaries

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and done all kinds of cool stuff she's a

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good ambassador for the the movement as

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well as for women in ufology so

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we'll be right back and we're really

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[Music]

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all right welcome back to another uap

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studies episode my name is louis borges

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joining me as always my good buddy and

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illustrious co-host jason gilman how are

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you i'm doing good brother how are you

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i'm good i'm doing really good i'm

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really happy we've been getting some

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really powerful women on the on the

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topic and in the field on the show

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lately absolutely today is no exception

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we're super excited uh today's guest is

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a tv and filmmaker she's a producer an

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investigative journalist uh right now

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she's the creative ceo for hathor uh

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studios um their topics range from like

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meditation and human potential to you

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know ancient aliens and civilizations

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and all that good stuff uh you've

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probably seen her on shows like hanger

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one ufo files and ufo witness and she's

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done a lot so we're

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welcome to the show today melissa tittle

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hey everybody so awesome to be here

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thanks we're super excited to have you

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here we sent a lot of requests out to

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big name people and people are busy so

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we really appreciate your time and uh we

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kind of have similar thoughts on things

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as to you you know let's not get too

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caught up in the minutia more like what

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does this actually mean

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and where is this all going so um so

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little bit tell us a little bit about

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yourself uh before you got into this

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stuff and uh what led you to getting

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awesome first of all i will say i'm so

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honored to be here um you guys have a

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the space and

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what could be happening out there so

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i like i feel like where do you get

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unknown you know whether it was the

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understanding of like ghosts or

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ancient egyptian stuff and and my dad

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air force there was talk about well in

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military standpoint yeah and always

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think that we have that technology now

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stories like that that usually somebody

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me about their experiences and i never

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know research this and it's awesome to

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see that your career uh that was also

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supernatural experiences and i use the

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word supernatural because i really don't

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that the most important thing to do

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existence that we can then understand

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they are they exist because now we're

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the people that have been collecting

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understanding what's happening in the

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there's a common wealth of knowledge

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enthusiasts sort of know about this but

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ancient aliens and all these other

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documentaries we've watched like 30

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networks like history and discovery that

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you can kind of feed that thirst in your

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brain with good stuff and that's the

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only reason we do this show it's a

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tsunami of bad information out there but

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there is some good info so i have a lot

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of respect for again people like

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yourself and and really committed to not

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just making movies i mean you went to

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school to be a filmmaker you could make

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films about anything but without people

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that it's accurately represented like to

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well it's nonsense it's all mixed and

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garbled it wouldn't be a good resource

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encyclopedia worthy stuff and maybe in

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40 years it will be an encyclopedia as

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kudos to you guys

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finish that thought because you know you

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want to know because what you really

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investigate people in the many truths

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and create patterns but i think

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the only way we are going to understand

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who we are as humans is if we figure out

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and discover something that's not human

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i feel like that we're

284
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chasing our tales talking about policies

285
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and um people and things and religious

286
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beliefs all this crap and the thing is

287
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is that we haven't found out the one

288
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thing that would make any other species

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investigate us in the first place

290
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and i think that that is the goal for me

291
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is if let's define

292
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what that human potential is in the

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field of discovering

294
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how big this universe is and what's out

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there

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so a question for you

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has anything changed

298
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in your way of thinking since the start

299
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of this did you like before didn't

300
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believe in abduction cases but as you

301
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were

302
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going along you become more convinced

303
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that it might be a thing or is there

304
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anything like that that you've changed

305
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your opinion on because we've changed

306
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our opinion quite a bit

307
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on a lot of subjects and we're now

308
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covering those subjects so did you have

309
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anything like that

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okay i have to get out of my

311
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journalistic head so my journalistic

312
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head i would say no because um i don't

313
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want to attach myself to any belief

314
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system because i want to keep it open

315
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so that i'm a conduit coming through of

316
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knowledge so people can decide what they

317
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think is real

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but if i take that hat off

319
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i'm just melissa

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um

321
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i would say

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because there's so many stories coming

323
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out more and more

324
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every year every month it's increasing

325
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no matter what resource is collecting

326
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the data

327
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um i would say in the last

328
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four months i believe that we are

329
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getting closer and closer to some kind

330
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of contact situation considering the

331
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government is ramping up their

332
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involvement and they're

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wanting to tell people that they're

334
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interested in them and

335
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i think people will say

336
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well that's because they have an agenda

337
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well of course maybe they do but

338
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but why unless something might be

339
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happening sooner than we think i mean

340
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we're making oxygen on mars right now

341
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i mean what are the probabilities that

342
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we are going to run into some other

343
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species some other

344
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being you know whether it's biological

345
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or some other kind of makeup i think

346
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that we are getting closer to that

347
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i think one of the statements like are

348
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we alone in the universe is going to be

349
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the most laughed at question in history

350
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because once we find out the amount of

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life forms that are out there we might

352
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be in shock and it's going to make us

353
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feel super super small

354
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i often think that maybe

355
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[Music]

356
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we're not ready for disclosure because

357
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we're not ready to deal with like even

358
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the war that's going on right now in

359
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ukraine and russia we fight ourselves we

360
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kill ourselves i i don't know if we're

361
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capable of accepting another species

362
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unless they're going to intervene and

363
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show us a different way of life

364
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you know and share with us their

365
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technology i don't know what the effects

366
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of that is going to be socially if it's

367
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going to be accepted or if it's going to

368
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be an issue

369
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yeah but i think that's why there's so

370
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much talk happening about

371
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because i feel that um the more and more

372
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people believe it could be a possibility

373
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the less panic i mean will be definitely

374
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some panic but

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um

376
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i think uh

377
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there's always going to be people that i

378
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want to believe right yeah

379
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i mean no offense to the people that

380
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believe there's a flat earth but there's

381
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a percentage of people that no matter

382
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what

383
00:14:01,269 --> 00:14:00,160
the earth is flat and that's it so no

384
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matter what those people are going to

385
00:14:04,150 --> 00:14:03,360
hide out and say aliens aren't real

386
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done

387
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great but

388
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for 80 percent 88 of the rest of the

389
00:14:12,949 --> 00:14:10,560
world that is witnessing something on tv

390
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and and interacting with something

391
00:14:19,829 --> 00:14:15,519
that might be real so

392
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i don't think i think it's going to take

393
00:14:26,389 --> 00:14:23,920
something monumental for people to let

394
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go of these things that that they feel

395
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they have to believe

396
00:14:32,470 --> 00:14:31,279
right um we're crying there's

397
00:14:34,870 --> 00:14:32,480
governments all over the world trying to

398
00:14:36,310 --> 00:14:34,880
create policies over

399
00:14:41,189 --> 00:14:36,320
how to

400
00:14:42,389 --> 00:14:41,199
but that needs to come from

401
00:14:43,990 --> 00:14:42,399
humans

402
00:14:45,350 --> 00:14:44,000
that's what they demand that there is

403
00:14:47,509 --> 00:14:45,360
nothing else that doesn't have anything

404
00:14:50,069 --> 00:14:47,519
to do with republicans or democrats or

405
00:14:52,230 --> 00:14:50,079
any other party or any other country

406
00:14:55,750 --> 00:14:52,240
that is the human potential that you're

407
00:14:57,750 --> 00:14:55,760
talking about that i feel that the

408
00:15:00,230 --> 00:14:57,760
discovery of

409
00:15:02,150 --> 00:15:00,240
extraterrestrial life will immediately

410
00:15:03,430 --> 00:15:02,160
bring to the forefront

411
00:15:05,430 --> 00:15:03,440
who are we

412
00:15:06,230 --> 00:15:05,440
what are our capabilities

413
00:15:08,949 --> 00:15:06,240
and

414
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we survive

415
00:15:13,350 --> 00:15:11,440
right yeah they didn't get advanced by

416
00:15:15,430 --> 00:15:13,360
blowing themselves up it was from

417
00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:15,440
probably collecting resources pooling

418
00:15:19,750 --> 00:15:17,760
advancing consciousness they they

419
00:15:22,550 --> 00:15:19,760
stopped the game and they realized what

420
00:15:24,710 --> 00:15:22,560
we're actually capable of as sentient

421
00:15:26,310 --> 00:15:24,720
beings you know and that's probably yeah

422
00:15:28,069 --> 00:15:26,320
they probably had a head start in terms

423
00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:28,079
of years i guess you would need one

424
00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:30,240
maybe not maybe if they just you know

425
00:15:34,550 --> 00:15:32,240
collaborated more efficiently it doesn't

426
00:15:35,910 --> 00:15:34,560
take billions of years to become more

427
00:15:38,230 --> 00:15:35,920
advanced than we are maybe we're

428
00:15:40,470 --> 00:15:38,240
retarding our progress because we're so

429
00:15:42,710 --> 00:15:40,480
busy just making weaponry and

430
00:15:44,389 --> 00:15:42,720
looking at the minutia and not actually

431
00:15:46,230 --> 00:15:44,399
seeing what else could be out there you

432
00:15:47,910 --> 00:15:46,240
know and that's where we spend our money

433
00:15:49,670 --> 00:15:47,920
so you know it would be fitting that

434
00:15:51,910 --> 00:15:49,680
that's the result

435
00:15:52,829 --> 00:15:51,920
yeah i mean and there's also that whole

436
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idea

437
00:15:57,189 --> 00:15:54,959
of um

438
00:15:59,030 --> 00:15:57,199
you know in the future

439
00:16:00,310 --> 00:15:59,040
will half of us be

440
00:16:02,230 --> 00:16:00,320
ai

441
00:16:03,350 --> 00:16:02,240
right that's that conversation shall we

442
00:16:04,949 --> 00:16:03,360
starting we're starting with the chips

443
00:16:07,030 --> 00:16:04,959
in the brain and then

444
00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:07,040
if we can replace parts of the body like

445
00:16:10,389 --> 00:16:09,040
when just think of that like let's check

446
00:16:11,509 --> 00:16:10,399
the aliens out hold let's take the

447
00:16:13,189 --> 00:16:11,519
aliens out of the whole thing we're

448
00:16:15,990 --> 00:16:13,199
going to have a crisis on this planet

449
00:16:19,910 --> 00:16:16,000
deciding who's really human if half of

450
00:16:22,550 --> 00:16:19,920
your body is ai yeah right so if we

451
00:16:23,670 --> 00:16:22,560
never discover any other life form

452
00:16:25,910 --> 00:16:23,680
we're going to have a crisis on the

453
00:16:27,829 --> 00:16:25,920
planet with that conversation so we're

454
00:16:30,310 --> 00:16:27,839
headed into something we can't even

455
00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:30,320
figure out if babies are human until

456
00:16:39,269 --> 00:16:36,949
exactly we can't even figure that out um

457
00:16:40,949 --> 00:16:39,279
yeah you make a very valid point and as

458
00:16:43,189 --> 00:16:40,959
technology progresses

459
00:16:44,949 --> 00:16:43,199
we would change biologically as well

460
00:16:47,910 --> 00:16:44,959
because we start modifying ourselves

461
00:16:50,790 --> 00:16:47,920
like even michael paul masters when he

462
00:16:53,350 --> 00:16:50,800
was on was describing how we change

463
00:16:55,749 --> 00:16:53,360
physically from when we first started as

464
00:16:57,829 --> 00:16:55,759
humans to now and if you continue down

465
00:17:00,069 --> 00:16:57,839
that road in the future like louis

466
00:17:01,509 --> 00:17:00,079
explain it better than i i can do you

467
00:17:03,269 --> 00:17:01,519
want to explain what he meant yeah well

468
00:17:05,029 --> 00:17:03,279
basically he's an anthropologist so he's

469
00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:05,039
used to looking at bones and you know

470
00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:07,360
like old things and he basically

471
00:17:11,429 --> 00:17:09,439
theorizes that we're look we look

472
00:17:12,870 --> 00:17:11,439
different than we did as neanderthals

473
00:17:15,110 --> 00:17:12,880
right our jaws are shrinking that's why

474
00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:15,120
we're having wisdom tooth issues uh our

475
00:17:18,789 --> 00:17:16,480
hands are changing because we're not

476
00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:18,799
hunting and foraging or you know our

477
00:17:22,390 --> 00:17:20,799
heads are growing so he goes if you just

478
00:17:24,949 --> 00:17:22,400
continue that progression and fast

479
00:17:27,270 --> 00:17:24,959
forward our heads continue to grow our

480
00:17:28,630 --> 00:17:27,280
jaws shrink uh you know our ears and

481
00:17:31,029 --> 00:17:28,640
everything else that causes like a

482
00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:31,039
protrusion of our eyes if we're maybe

483
00:17:34,710 --> 00:17:32,640
living somewhere else with thinner

484
00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:34,720
gravity or whatever less of it we have

485
00:17:40,150 --> 00:17:37,520
no more muscle mass we basically become

486
00:17:41,590 --> 00:17:40,160
greys in a million years anyway

487
00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:41,600
regardless so

488
00:17:46,470 --> 00:17:44,320
maybe it's not aliens maybe it's us in

489
00:17:48,630 --> 00:17:46,480
the future and he has a theory it's

490
00:17:51,110 --> 00:17:48,640
called the is extra tempestrial

491
00:17:52,789 --> 00:17:51,120
extratempestrial super cool idea that

492
00:17:55,029 --> 00:17:52,799
this is nothing none other than us in

493
00:17:56,789 --> 00:17:55,039
the future who figured out time travel

494
00:17:58,710 --> 00:17:56,799
who are now coming back to harvest

495
00:18:01,029 --> 00:17:58,720
genetic material or

496
00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:01,039
maybe prevent some huge

497
00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:03,600
destruction event or who knows right or

498
00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:05,200
maybe it's a seating and it's an

499
00:18:09,270 --> 00:18:07,840
acceleration of our um you know us

500
00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:09,280
getting there we're trying to come back

501
00:18:13,029 --> 00:18:11,440
and speed it up for the benefit of the

502
00:18:15,190 --> 00:18:13,039
future it's pretty deep i mean you'd

503
00:18:17,110 --> 00:18:15,200
have to read his book but but yeah very

504
00:18:18,870 --> 00:18:17,120
cool theory coming from a science

505
00:18:20,870 --> 00:18:18,880
doctorate you know

506
00:18:22,470 --> 00:18:20,880
yeah that's fascinating i mean i i've

507
00:18:23,830 --> 00:18:22,480
heard that theory before maybe it was

508
00:18:24,710 --> 00:18:23,840
him and i just didn't put that together

509
00:18:27,830 --> 00:18:24,720
but

510
00:18:30,549 --> 00:18:27,840
lot of these abduction stories where

511
00:18:31,990 --> 00:18:30,559
they're harvesting eggs or sperm or

512
00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:32,000
genetic material

513
00:18:35,510 --> 00:18:33,440
um

514
00:18:37,990 --> 00:18:35,520
they do say that they're harvesting it

515
00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:38,000
because they're helping us as a human

516
00:18:40,549 --> 00:18:39,440
race um

517
00:18:42,549 --> 00:18:40,559
also

518
00:18:44,150 --> 00:18:42,559
there was a case i was i was just uh

519
00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:44,160
interviewed for the whitley striber

520
00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:46,480
series on discovery plus

521
00:18:50,470 --> 00:18:47,840
called the visitors

522
00:18:52,870 --> 00:18:50,480
um little plug it's really good it's

523
00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:52,880
actually really scary but it's it's done

524
00:18:58,150 --> 00:18:56,400
really well um it's called the visitors

525
00:19:00,710 --> 00:18:58,160
there's this woman on there who was

526
00:19:02,710 --> 00:19:00,720
interviewed and her experience was she

527
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:02,720
was she was already pregnant

528
00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:05,200
uh she was laying in bed and

529
00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:07,200
the couple grays came in and there was

530
00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:09,280
like a big tall

531
00:19:12,310 --> 00:19:10,720
gray i don't know if it's a tall white

532
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:12,320
but tall gray

533
00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:13,919
um and

534
00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:15,840
they because i'm not sure what sex it is

535
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:18,960
came over and put their hand on her

536
00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:21,520
belly and she of course freaked out

537
00:19:25,029 --> 00:19:23,120
because she's like six seven months

538
00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:25,039
pregnant right right

539
00:19:28,230 --> 00:19:26,640
and um

540
00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:28,240
they said that there was

541
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:30,480
something wrong with the child and she's

542
00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:32,240
like why are you doing this and they

543
00:19:36,390 --> 00:19:34,320
said why are you so scared and she said

544
00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:36,400
because you're ugly and then

545
00:19:39,909 --> 00:19:38,720
the bean said you're going to be us very

546
00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:39,919
soon

547
00:19:43,590 --> 00:19:42,080
yeah yeah i've heard other people say

548
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:43,600
that they ask like who are you and

549
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:45,360
they're like we are you

550
00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:47,200
you are us like we are the same kind of

551
00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:48,320
thing so

552
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:50,960
right cool lots of commonality with that

553
00:19:55,510 --> 00:19:53,120
yeah yeah and before again that was a

554
00:19:57,270 --> 00:19:55,520
theory that i threw out

555
00:19:59,430 --> 00:19:57,280
um out the window because i didn't think

556
00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:59,440
ah that that's not logical but again the

557
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:01,120
more we talk to people the more that

558
00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:03,120
keeps popping up and we imagine the

559
00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:05,039
scary scenario is that it's all of the

560
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:07,360
above it's us from the future it's

561
00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:10,400
interdimensional entities it's extra

562
00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:12,480
extraterrestrial identities you know it

563
00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:13,360
could be

564
00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:15,280
a multitude of things that's why we're

565
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:16,880
seeing different things in the sky

566
00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:20,559
that's why ufos are uaps now uh don't

567
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:22,640
look the same you know they all have a

568
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:25,120
different shape and the classic saucer

569
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:26,880
shape we don't see that as much anymore

570
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:29,440
we see the orbs you know popping up you

571
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:31,200
know three at a time or whatever doing

572
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:32,559
stuff in the sky

573
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:33,360
so

574
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:35,200
it's interesting i i think that we're

575
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:37,840
dealing with a multitude of of species

576
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:40,320
it's not just one and you've covered

577
00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:42,159
that many times on on your different

578
00:20:45,909 --> 00:20:44,080
programs that you know you're talking

579
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:45,919
about the tall whites there's the tall

580
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:48,480
grays the short grays the brown grays

581
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:51,679
which is weird they called soundtracks

582
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:52,880
reptilians

583
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:54,720
exactly a mile long

584
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:56,080
yes

585
00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:59,679
the nordic blondes yeah blue avians

586
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:01,360
that's like the anunnaki the blue

587
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:03,200
feather people yep the blue feather

588
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:04,480
people

589
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:05,919
yeah

590
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:07,280
that'd be interesting you never hear an

591
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:08,720
abduction about that right the blue

592
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:10,480
feathered people they don't even you

593
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:11,840
theologists who think you're nuts at

594
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:13,840
that point like come on man tell

595
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:15,440
everyone it was a gray don't be talking

596
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:17,600
about bird people with blue feathers

597
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:19,919
what the hell's the matter with you

598
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:22,480
cat beans you know i've heard that not

599
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:24,400
so much in abduction cases but people

600
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:26,480
like come in contact with cat beans i

601
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:27,679
guess

602
00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:28,480
but

603
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:33,679
like a whole cast of characters that

604
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:35,760
seem to be coming here a lot in the

605
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:37,120
ladies and nordics everyone's like

606
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:42,950
yeah you mentioned uh changing opinions

607
00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:45,280
and not only do we and everybody else

608
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:47,120
have to kind of wrap our brains around

609
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:48,720
this but it's interesting to hear people

610
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,919
that have like

611
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:51,679
many decade-long careers like george

612
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:53,440
knapp for example we had him on a couple

613
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:55,520
months ago and we love george knapp so

614
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:56,960
we're like talking about bob lazar and

615
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,720
all this and he was talking about his

616
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:00,960
book skinwalkers at the pentagon and i

617
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:03,200
said you know explain that like what is

618
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:05,679
the connection here and he basically

619
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:07,039
like went into it and said look i've

620
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:09,280
been a nuts and bolts ufo guy for 30

621
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,159
years

622
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:12,799
and now it's everything it's cryptids

623
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:15,919
and bigfoot and portals and you know

624
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:17,679
blue orbs and all this [\h__\h] and people

625
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,480
are taking home uh random illnesses when

626
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,799
they have contact with these things and

627
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:24,720
you know obscure autoimmune diseases

628
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:27,360
like hashimoto's and his wife has had

629
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:28,799
really weird stuff that he didn't even

630
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:30,559
want to talk about and we're just like

631
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:32,799
holy cow like george knapp has changed

632
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:35,120
his opinion on what this actually is

633
00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:37,120
it's he went down the rabbit hole and

634
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:39,919
it's crazier than he even thought and i

635
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:41,440
think more and more that's coming out

636
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:42,880
now as you mentioned the government's

637
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:45,039
starting to really look at this and

638
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:46,960
maybe this is just the natural course of

639
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:49,039
how it was going to go anyway maybe it's

640
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:51,200
spurred on from the tic tac video and

641
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:53,120
movements like guys like tom delong and

642
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:55,360
all the rest maybe it's been from good

643
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:56,880
tv programming that you've been

644
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,360
producing for a decade right but either

645
00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:01,440
way i think it's positive and i think

646
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:02,799
it's good to have

647
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,360
uh not a fixed opinion and in fact we

648
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:07,360
have jock valley coming on for our 100th

649
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,760
episode and the biggest thing i took

650
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:11,520
away from that interview with him was he

651
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,400
said we have to suspend judgment

652
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,559
and like he's a guy that should be fixed

653
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,200
in his ways and no you guys are crazy

654
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:21,600
it's always been this way and he's just

655
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:23,520
like suspend judgment just when you

656
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:25,039
think you've got this it's like a

657
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:27,679
handful or a fistful of sand you have it

658
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:29,600
one second and then it's gone a second

659
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:32,240
later so suspend judgment because it

660
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:34,720
really is stranger than you can think at

661
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:37,919
some point yeah and i think the more we

662
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:39,360
can talk about it it's not so strange

663
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,080
anymore yeah that's true um

664
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:44,480
i mean the the idea of humans flying in

665
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:47,600
the air was so strange until

666
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:49,919
somebody figured that out now so we did

667
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:51,679
it

668
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,880
yeah so i think that um

669
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,120
we create our reality and and there's

670
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:59,360
definitely something pushing through

671
00:24:02,830 --> 00:24:01,120
really pushing our consciousness to

672
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:02,840
understand that i mean

673
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:06,320
it's i i think it's been so intense the

674
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:08,080
last couple years not just because i'm

675
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:11,440
in it but because there's just so many

676
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:14,320
different outlets publishing things and

677
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:15,600
it seems okay

678
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,400
i mean just a couple years ago if

679
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:20,400
you talked about aliens on a tv show

680
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:22,559
they'd be like i mean like a little

681
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:24,000
green man you know there's like that

682
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,039
like jokey jokiness about it yeah stigma

683
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:29,039
but now that's a conversation you can

684
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,720
have with a bunch of housewives and

685
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:32,640
they're like i've heard of that

686
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:35,760
yeah i believe but you know

687
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,240
it's more mainstream it's more it's

688
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:40,880
happening around us yeah

689
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:42,880
so

690
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:45,279
there

691
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:48,080
i was going to ask you on the the basis

692
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:50,080
of consciousness so you do you think

693
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:51,520
that there's

694
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,320
validity to like the ce5 like the

695
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:56,400
contacts that people are making

696
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:58,080
or stating that they're making i've

697
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,240
never participated in it myself but you

698
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:02,880
think there's a validity there

699
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:04,240
yes 100

700
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:06,880
um again yeah i think so too

701
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:08,559
i don't know but it is is definitely

702
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:10,960
happening and and i and um there's two

703
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:13,039
things i want to say about this

704
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:15,840
people humans

705
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,480
i mean all we know is that the sumerians

706
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:20,480
were around 6 000 years ago and created

707
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:22,400
a civilization but let's just say for

708
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:24,000
hundreds of thousands of years humans or

709
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:26,000
whatever it was of humans

710
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:28,880
have been in contact with something in

711
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:30,880
another dimension that has been

712
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:32,880
happening and there's cave paintings

713
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:35,120
about it there's whole religions written

714
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:36,799
about written about it

715
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,960
this is something that how they are

716
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:40,000
doing it

717
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:41,520
they're maybe not doing a ce5 but

718
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:42,400
they're doing some other kind of

719
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:43,840
meditation and they're connecting with

720
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:47,360
something and they are

721
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:50,320
simulating uh actions within that you

722
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:51,679
know this is something that ancient

723
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:54,320
egyptians talk about um

724
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,240
in several texts in several different

725
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:58,559
temples about how they're working with

726
00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:00,559
something on the other side

727
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:02,080
now ce5

728
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:03,760
their whole goal is to bring something

729
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,000
into existence and then communicate with

730
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:08,640
it and have this experience with them

731
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:11,120
that is that isn't any different

732
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:12,320
than all the other stuff i just

733
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,480
explained that has been going on since

734
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:16,720
the beginning of time so

735
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:18,960
the question is what are we

736
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:20,559
communicating with and i don't think

737
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,400
it's the same being or the same group or

738
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:24,720
the same intention or the same agenda

739
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:25,840
and um

740
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:28,080
my second point to that is i think this

741
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,840
is where the human potential really

742
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:31,520
needs to step up

743
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,159
what are your intentions trying to

744
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,640
reach into the field and bring something

745
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:38,400
into existence

746
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,880
because uh it could be good or bad

747
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:42,559
and this is where that alien talk gets

748
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,799
into they're here to conquer us verses

749
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:46,799
are here to help us i mean

750
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:48,240
there's humans that i think would help

751
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:50,240
me versus humans that would hurt me

752
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,120
right same thing so i think that

753
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:55,520
the ce5s are real

754
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:56,960
and that's been going on for a long time

755
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:59,679
and two if if that's true

756
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:01,120
which i think it is

757
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,279
then um you need to be careful of what

758
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:05,120
you're bringing into the field

759
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:06,400
it's like if you mess around with

760
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:08,320
poltergeists or things like that if you

761
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:09,760
don't have the right

762
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:11,520
you know state of mind or your heart's

763
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:13,760
not in the right place you're asking for

764
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:15,440
trouble that's when you start having

765
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,279
really weird things and dangerous things

766
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:19,200
going on if you're approaching it as you

767
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:21,679
know i want to help you i want to learn

768
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:23,360
do you have anything you want to tell us

769
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,039
like you go with an open heart and

770
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:27,360
usually you have a a good experience

771
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:29,120
right i don't do that myself i never

772
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:30,559
play with a ouija board or anything like

773
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:33,520
that i don't like to invite things into

774
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:35,840
my life but i also believe

775
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:38,000
if you're if your energy is bright those

776
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,760
things can't hurt you you're you know

777
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:41,360
nobody ever got stabbed with their own

778
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:44,000
car keys from a poltergeist right but i

779
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:46,159
do think maybe there can be

780
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:48,159
demonic things and weird [\h__\h] that goes

781
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:49,120
on and

782
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,640
i don't know what i don't know and i

783
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:53,039
reserve comment but uh i think if you go

784
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,720
at it with the right heart with anything

785
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:56,799
even like with our show we put in a lot

786
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,640
of work uh we have a lot of people that

787
00:28:01,830 --> 00:28:00,480
we could have on that we're like

788
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:01,840
we don't think it's best for the

789
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:04,240
movement we want science-minded people

790
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:07,039
open-minded people and it's uh you know

791
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,840
nobody knows nobody's an expert and

792
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,679
there's so much infighting now like on

793
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:13,600
twitter and everything else

794
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:15,120
it's you know it's not helping the

795
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,440
movement like let's just stop with that

796
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,840
and let's let's get smarter let's not

797
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:21,840
just dabble in the dumb stuff you know

798
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,279
right there can't be

799
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,679
one person who knows everything about

800
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,760
what's happening exactly

801
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:29,279
yeah i mean if we really believe that

802
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:31,120
then we're back to like

803
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:33,440
i don't know thirteen hundreds yeah yeah

804
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:34,240
maybe

805
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,440
years ago this whole thing started in

806
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:37,279
the first place you know like just about

807
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:39,919
one person that knows everything

808
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:42,320
but there there is a few in uh

809
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:45,760
especially the the field of ufology that

810
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:47,840
one charge a lot of money

811
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:50,559
for experiences and they claim to have

812
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,039
all the answers and that's where i get

813
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:54,960
mad because for me that's a charlatan

814
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:57,360
right that's somebody selling snake oil

815
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:59,200
and saying you can have this experience

816
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:59,360
for

817
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:00,720
[Music]

818
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:03,200
two thousand dollars and that's where i

819
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:05,679
have an issue with it is you know i'm

820
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:08,080
okay and open to all ideas and concepts

821
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:10,000
but once i hear somebody makes

822
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:11,600
tons of money doing something like that

823
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:13,360
i'm kind of like ah

824
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,039
now i'm not too sure about you know if i

825
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:17,520
believe that because there's that

826
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:20,159
money exchange in there right

827
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:22,480
um but no you mentioned when louie said

828
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:24,080
nobody ever got uh

829
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:27,440
stabbed by keys you were like oh

830
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:29,360
you objected a little bit yeah do you

831
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,559
have a story

832
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:32,080
story i don't have the story but there's

833
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:33,520
got to be one story that happened you

834
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:34,880
know like somebody's going to like write

835
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:36,399
into you guys like wait that happened to

836
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:37,279
me

837
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:42,470
i think they want to get your attention

838
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:43,760
that's what i meant i use that's the

839
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,520
stabbing of the keys an example but i

840
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:47,360
think when they throw something across

841
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,880
the room or your cupboards open or

842
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:50,960
whatever it's something and i've had a

843
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:53,200
poltergeist experience and in my case it

844
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:55,919
was chairs being rearranged in a

845
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,240
business that i owned i'm the sole key

846
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:00,720
holder and things are moved around and

847
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:03,760
uh so i believe that's real but it never

848
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:06,399
hurt me it wasn't overtly aggressive

849
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:07,440
it's just

850
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:08,960
i consulted with other people who know

851
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:10,640
about these things and they're like

852
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:11,679
something's just trying to get your

853
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:13,760
attention and now that i look back i

854
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:15,279
kind of think i know what it was about

855
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:16,640
it was telling me that it was time to

856
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:18,880
move on there was things happening

857
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:22,000
energies that were not for me and you

858
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:24,000
know a big page was gonna be flipped and

859
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:25,919
that's exactly what happened so i think

860
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:28,000
it was more of or maybe my energy was

861
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:30,159
heightened and i was just attracting

862
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:31,679
that kind of stuff to myself because

863
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:32,720
maybe

864
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,720
they saw that vulnerability and i

865
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:36,640
created that vacuum and that's what came

866
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,720
in so i really don't know but i know

867
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:40,480
that things can do that for sure so i

868
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:41,840
believe in poltergeist i just don't

869
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:43,679
think they can really hurt you if

870
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:45,120
you know if you have an open mind and

871
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:46,880
you communicate with them you know i

872
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:49,120
think we still ran superior

873
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,000
or the most important thing uh

874
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:54,720
uh is to have no fear so and that's

875
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:55,679
really

876
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:59,600
experiences too i feel that i've talked

877
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:01,039
to a lot of people that have um

878
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:03,200
abduction experiences and

879
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:04,799
they want them to stop like they've been

880
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:06,080
going on since they were a kid and

881
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:07,120
they're still having them and they're

882
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:09,760
still coming and and they they use

883
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:13,279
techniques to say i will you to stop

884
00:31:16,830 --> 00:31:15,039
i have no fear you cannot come here

885
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:16,840
anymore so

886
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:19,679
um i think that the best

887
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:22,000
explanation of that is in the well

888
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:23,679
that's not new anymore but when they

889
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:25,120
redid it

890
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:28,240
and remember the clown yeah chasing them

891
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:29,760
and they started making fun of the clown

892
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:32,799
the clown started shrinking right yeah i

893
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:35,360
love that movie it's not scary unless

894
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:37,360
you make it scary yeah

895
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:39,120
so that's where you where those kids

896
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:41,360
figured out how much power they had

897
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:42,880
over this thing that they were so afraid

898
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:44,320
of

899
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,320
do you find that to have a few favorite

900
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:48,159
cases of all the cases that you had in

901
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:49,360
the abduction

902
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:51,519
uh phenomenon is there like a few that

903
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:54,720
stand out for you that you you like

904
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:01,830
well um the reason i was invited to

905
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:03,919
kind of narrate the story of whitley

906
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:07,279
strieber was i think that this is a very

907
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:10,480
important abduction experience

908
00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:11,519
um

909
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,919
this is a time in history in the 80s

910
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,600
where there's not people talking about

911
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:17,679
aliens yeah i mean

912
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:18,559
there's

913
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:23,760
in hollywood a few alien movies right

914
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:26,399
um this is before spielberg

915
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,240
this is um this is uh this is a man

916
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:32,240
who's already

917
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:33,760
wealthy he's

918
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:34,559
a

919
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:37,519
screenwriter he's uh you know successful

920
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:38,960
yeah he's successful there's no need for

921
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:40,880
him to come up with a story i always

922
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:43,440
look at that too right um

923
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:45,440
so he has this experience

924
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:48,640
it's so powerful that he then writes the

925
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:49,919
book communion

926
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:50,640
and

927
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:53,360
if he had to publish that face

928
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:56,399
of great alien this is the first time

929
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,159
the people all over the world are seeing

930
00:33:01,750 --> 00:33:00,480
a published face of what a great alien

931
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:01,760
looks like

932
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:03,519
and what happened was

933
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:05,279
thousands of people all over the world

934
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:07,039
were like i see the space it comes to me

935
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:08,880
at night too

936
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:11,600
so is that just because whitley created

937
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:14,480
this phenomenon in the field or

938
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,840
had it been happening and no one had a

939
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,519
platform to talk about it so it's a

940
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:19,679
famous case for me because it's a lot

941
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,000
like other cases right it happens

942
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:24,720
doesn't know why it's happening it's um

943
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:27,360
frightening it's not like it's pleasant

944
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:29,679
um he communicates with the thing

945
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:32,159
eventually he realizes they tell him

946
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:34,000
this is for the betterment of humanity

947
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:35,760
and we want you to tell the story

948
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:37,039
um

949
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,480
i don't know how i feel about that but

950
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:40,320
again right so now he's has

951
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:42,480
communication with these things right

952
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:44,480
and he still does

953
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:46,159
to a point

954
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:47,440
and the reason why i think this is one

955
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:49,360
of my favorites is because it's not that

956
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:51,600
it's different than anybody else's but

957
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:54,799
it started the trend so to me i think

958
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:56,960
did they purposely pick him

959
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:58,000
to

960
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:59,519
make themselves known within our

961
00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:01,039
consciousness

962
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:01,840
right

963
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:03,919
and then to work with like bud hopkins

964
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:05,279
and john mack

965
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:07,200
you know coming out like these these

966
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:09,200
guys had no reason to come out and talk

967
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:10,240
about

968
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,079
you know aliens abducting people because

969
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:14,240
they had successful careers i mean

970
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:15,359
harvard

971
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:17,679
for crying out loud right but yeah yeah

972
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:19,359
they put their reputation on the line

973
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:20,720
because they absolutely believe that

974
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:23,040
this you know and it's either that it's

975
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:24,639
really happening

976
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:28,320
or it's a major mental illness that is

977
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,800
known throughout the world now

978
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,879
that is undiagnosed that we've never

979
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:34,560
looked at before so it's either one of

980
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,000
those two things

981
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:38,720
so for me i think it's it's the first

982
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:41,760
because we've talked to jim semivan who

983
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:44,399
while working for the cia

984
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:46,639
had an experience with gray's in his

985
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,599
room

986
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:49,679
that's crazy the people in the cia and

987
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:50,560
the

988
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:52,079
defense department are having

989
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,480
experiences the same as we are

990
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:56,399
so we here we are thinking like you know

991
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,839
it's just happening to the public no

992
00:35:03,589 --> 00:34:59,760
it's happening to them as well they're

993
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:03,599
humankind yeah yeah yeah to everybody

994
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:06,160
so this is why it's becoming more and

995
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:09,599
not having guys and and women coming on

996
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:10,880
and saying you know i've had these

997
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:13,119
experiences uh this is actually really

998
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:14,480
happening

999
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:16,800
i'm starting to believe absolutely 100

1000
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:20,320
that these abduction cases are legit

1001
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,119
yeah i i do too i mean i've i've

1002
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:25,280
um i i'm just i'm not going to say their

1003
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:27,040
names right now um

1004
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:30,880
one of them is on ufo witness uh

1005
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:33,839
she's on the colorado episode

1006
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:35,119
she um

1007
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:38,000
she's similar to a lot of bud hopkins

1008
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:41,440
work with um several women where they're

1009
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:42,839
repeatedly

1010
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:45,520
taken and

1011
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:47,760
eggs are harvested and then later on in

1012
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,960
life they are still taken to then hold

1013
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:52,800
the human babies

1014
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,599
up in

1015
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:56,000
the spacecraft because they need human

1016
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:58,320
touch they can't actually even if they

1017
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:00,800
create them in a tube right they can't

1018
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,920
survive without human touch

1019
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:05,040
and

1020
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:07,359
um besides that that's fascinating you

1021
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:08,480
know is that does that play into the

1022
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:09,760
whole thing like they're trying to save

1023
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:11,119
our human race and all that kind of

1024
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:12,240
stuff that we talked about earlier in

1025
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:13,440
this podcast

1026
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:14,720
but

1027
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:18,320
is that evidence of this thing that we

1028
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:19,839
have not figured out about what is so

1029
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:21,119
powerful about us

1030
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:22,400
right

1031
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,560
and i'm not saying touch

1032
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:26,880
by itself but is there something that

1033
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:30,400
humans radiate off of themself like as

1034
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:32,160
there's some kind of power yes people

1035
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,599
talk about frequency and energy and all

1036
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:35,440
that stuff but there's got to be

1037
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:38,640
something unique about the human

1038
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:41,760
existence for that to be special that

1039
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:44,960
that other beans would be coming here

1040
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:47,440
to investigate us or want to talk to us

1041
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:50,000
or use this as food right all those

1042
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:52,240
explanations right we're just the best

1043
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:54,880
huggers they just date a hug that's why

1044
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:00,230
they're so comfortable

1045
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:04,880
[Laughter]

1046
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:06,320
i wanted to ask you about some of your

1047
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:07,839
current projects like you mentioned ufo

1048
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:09,839
witness great show you've been on i've

1049
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,839
seen a few episodes with you on it and

1050
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:13,440
like what tell us about it and what else

1051
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:14,800
are you working on

1052
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:16,000
um

1053
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:18,320
ufo witness i did a bunch of shock docs

1054
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,040
for discovery plus uh

1055
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:23,280
you know alien end game

1056
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,359
i just talked about the whitley thing

1057
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:27,680
um and then yeah ufo witness season two

1058
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:28,720
with ben

1059
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,599
hansen um we did we did that whole thing

1060
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:33,599
and then um i'm actually coming out with

1061
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:38,320
a documentary quite soon about atlantis

1062
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:39,599
nice um

1063
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,240
it's not necessarily about aliens but

1064
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:44,640
there is

1065
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:47,520
a code that i have found that i think

1066
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:50,480
atlantis is a metaphor for it's i mean i

1067
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:51,920
think it actually existed but i think

1068
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:54,079
that the the way we understand it from

1069
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:57,280
what plato talks about is a an actual

1070
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:58,240
code

1071
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:00,000
to kind of the opening of this field

1072
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,400
where we can make contact

1073
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:04,560
oh more complicated more metaphorical

1074
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:06,560
base then atlantis is a metaphor for

1075
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,560
communication metaphor like okay it's

1076
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:10,800
this concentric circle city it's in the

1077
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,560
middle of the ocean and it's

1078
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:14,320
measurements of this

1079
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:17,280
um blah blah blah but i think and the

1080
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:19,119
people i've been interviewing it's

1081
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:21,119
pretty fascinating it's like i've gotten

1082
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:22,720
myself into a deeper

1083
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:25,040
rabbit hole but um it's pretty cool so

1084
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:26,560
that's coming out of the beginning of

1085
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:27,920
2023

1086
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:30,240
um i have a film called black knight

1087
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:33,280
satellite where i cover that um

1088
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:34,960
the the case of black knight satellite

1089
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:38,079
which is in 1952-53

1090
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:38,560
um

1091
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:39,920
[Music]

1092
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:40,960
and

1093
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:42,800
that one

1094
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:44,000
what's really interesting about that

1095
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:45,440
that's already out that's on forbidden

1096
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:47,440
knowledge tv

1097
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,880
and we'll be selling that to major

1098
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,640
platforms soon

1099
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:52,320
that was that's really disgusting that

1100
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,000
there's a signal that's been trying to

1101
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:56,320
reach us so we talk about the fact that

1102
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:57,760
it could be this black knight satellite

1103
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:59,119
since it keeps showing up and people

1104
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:01,839
keep seeing it and it keeps

1105
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:03,760
you know we have more technology now to

1106
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:05,599
detect things like this and

1107
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,720
um

1108
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:08,720
but it talks about that people have been

1109
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:12,000
receiving signals and messages from this

1110
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:13,359
thing

1111
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,640
and so

1112
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:16,560
is it an ancestral thing

1113
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:18,320
or is it just

1114
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:19,920
something from

1115
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:26,069
species that's monitoring us right

1116
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:35,750
flew weird like that's not you know if

1117
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:38,320
it was a a rock or anything in space it

1118
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,480
would have a trajectory that is pretty

1119
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:42,240
much predictable this one just veered

1120
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:45,119
right off yeah and uh you know you got

1121
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:46,079
the

1122
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:48,079
avilope now researching that he's

1123
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:50,560
looking in the ocean as well

1124
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:52,079
that's his new thing so i was kind of

1125
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,079
thinking maybe the whole atlantis thing

1126
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:56,640
and what he's looking for might be you

1127
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:59,920
know correlating somehow but

1128
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:01,599
i'm i used to be on the fence about

1129
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:03,839
atlantis and again more i talked to

1130
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:05,680
people the more i realized that maybe

1131
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:07,599
there's something there

1132
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,400
yeah i think everything's a metaphor

1133
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:12,720
you know

1134
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:15,440
again my expertise is like meditation

1135
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:16,800
aliens

1136
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:19,040
ancient stuff quantum physics right we

1137
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:20,240
talk about all this stuff and then

1138
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:21,760
somehow they get put all in the same

1139
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:23,599
category which is kind of strange but in

1140
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:26,560
a way it's this unknown place right yeah

1141
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:29,200
but with atlantis and some of these

1142
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,359
ancient cultures and even like ready

1143
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:32,880
ancient aliens

1144
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:35,599
i think everything is just a code if you

1145
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:37,520
can crack it

1146
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,839
i think that they couldn't

1147
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:41,520
really say what they had to say they had

1148
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,480
to leave it behind in a code because at

1149
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:46,800
a certain time we will figure out what

1150
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,440
it is that we are supposed to know

1151
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:51,359
can't be revealed when they wrote some

1152
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,040
of those texts only a couple people in

1153
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:55,280
the world understood it

1154
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:57,520
yeah right and even during the abduction

1155
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:59,359
cases a lot of people say there's always

1156
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:00,720
some sort of

1157
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:03,200
message that's given about humanity

1158
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:04,640
right like you guys

1159
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:05,599
there's something wrong with your

1160
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:07,520
species or you guys are killing the

1161
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:10,319
planet or so there's always a message

1162
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:12,480
that they give to people which i i find

1163
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:14,800
that to be hopeful because that i don't

1164
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,880
believe in the threat narrative i know a

1165
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:18,319
lot of people are pushing that threat

1166
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:19,680
narrative saying like you know we don't

1167
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:20,800
know what these things are they could be

1168
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:22,960
a threat to the united states or canada

1169
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:23,680
or

1170
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:26,160
england australia

1171
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,599
i don't believe that i believe that if

1172
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:29,280
they're going to do some harm to us they

1173
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:31,119
already would have done that

1174
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,560
we're supposed to be slaves we'd be

1175
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,720
slaves exactly and even the abduction

1176
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,400
cases i was talking somebody was

1177
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,839
mentioning about how people are being

1178
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:39,680
tucked back into bed

1179
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:41,280
you know like being brought back like

1180
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:43,599
just yeah it's just and it's crazy

1181
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:46,000
because you know i know the experiences

1182
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:48,880
must be terrifying but when you look at

1183
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:50,240
the overall

1184
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:52,240
was there really damage done besides the

1185
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:55,760
psychological aspect of it to the person

1186
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:57,520
yes if it's the pregnancy like you

1187
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:59,200
mentioned the hybrid

1188
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:00,800
situation

1189
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:02,960
but overall they don't seem to be

1190
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:05,280
there's no malice there there's no evil

1191
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,400
intent

1192
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:08,640
as far as we can tell

1193
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:11,119
yeah i mean i'm i'm in i'm going to play

1194
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:13,359
neutral on that i mean there's a lot of

1195
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:15,680
shows that i get invited to

1196
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:18,160
be interviewed on that they do use the

1197
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:19,680
they do talk about the threat narrative

1198
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:21,200
but i think it's because people like

1199
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:23,599
drama right right or a show about how

1200
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:26,000
everybody's super nice it's like okay

1201
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:27,119
well

1202
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,480
it doesn't get the blood going when

1203
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:30,560
you're watching entertainment but i

1204
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:33,200
think that just with anything nothing is

1205
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,880
good and nothing is bad and i think you

1206
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,480
have to really feel that out for

1207
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:38,160
yourself i think that i've talked to a

1208
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,520
lot of people that

1209
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:41,280
have not um

1210
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,880
turned that corner and said that was a

1211
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:44,400
positive experience they still think

1212
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,800
that that was pretty negative right

1213
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:48,240
and i don't want to be taken against my

1214
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:49,520
will

1215
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:51,440
um and there's people that are like okay

1216
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:52,880
i'm going to embrace this because i got

1217
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:54,160
a message

1218
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:55,520
and there's a reason

1219
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:56,720
and

1220
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:58,319
so i don't know i play kind of neutral

1221
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:00,880
on that i i don't i think like we

1222
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:02,319
discussed earlier in this documentary

1223
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,760
like there's so many people picking

1224
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:05,599
other people apart and finding all these

1225
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,880
problems with everybody else that we're

1226
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:08,480
not helping the field

1227
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,480
so i feel that if i stay neutral in that

1228
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,400
and and just uncover

1229
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:14,640
more of these truths then then we're

1230
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:16,000
actually get to the bottom of what's

1231
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,440
happening why

1232
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:19,200
yeah that's the right mindset to have

1233
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:21,520
again if you go at it with this is right

1234
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:23,440
this is wrong or you're only going to

1235
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:25,040
research your bias you're only going to

1236
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,480
look at stuff that you believe to be

1237
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,800
true you could be missing most of it

1238
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,400
because you're you've got blinders on

1239
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,240
you're so focused on no no it's got to

1240
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:34,480
be this well what if it isn't and your

1241
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:36,560
entire career has been for nothing right

1242
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:40,319
so if you want to find the answer don't

1243
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:41,920
sort of look for what you think is the

1244
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:44,480
answer listen to everything our show is

1245
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:46,400
the same platform sometimes we have

1246
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:47,920
people on here and they have certain

1247
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:50,560
opinions we may not share but it's good

1248
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:52,240
for the whole subject let's bring all

1249
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:54,400
the information to the table let's not

1250
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,319
look at half the data you know i think

1251
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:58,319
jacques valet was mentioning that on the

1252
00:44:01,829 --> 00:44:00,000
nimitz when they came and took the

1253
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:01,839
footage after the tick tock or the tic

1254
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:03,839
tac video how do you really study

1255
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:05,680
something with half the data there's not

1256
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:07,200
a scientist in the world that would say

1257
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:08,800
that's the right way to go about doing

1258
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:11,280
it so bring it all to the table

1259
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,119
we all have an equal seat because nobody

1260
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:15,440
has proof nobody knows for sure and

1261
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:18,160
nobody's a quote unquote expert so let's

1262
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,160
have some humility and who knows maybe

1263
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:22,800
the study of ufology makes us more

1264
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:24,880
understanding and tolerant of each other

1265
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:26,720
maybe that's just good for humanity in

1266
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:29,520
general it's just this topic that lights

1267
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:32,079
that fire this is the catalyst so

1268
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,920
all positive things moving forward it

1269
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:36,000
made me realize that people are idiots

1270
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,839
usually you know as a whole like you

1271
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,839
know as a species i think it's pretty

1272
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,520
well a guarantee at this point yeah i

1273
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:43,680
mean that's pretty much it my revelation

1274
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:45,440
was about this whole thing

1275
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:48,720
people are idiots yeah

1276
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:51,359
like you in in a day you keep a pen and

1277
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:53,119
paper handy and at the end of the day

1278
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:54,800
you'll have at least 40 names on there

1279
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:56,880
right like it's just crazy the world's

1280
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:57,760
nuts

1281
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:01,359
uh where can people find you online

1282
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:03,040
sure um

1283
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:06,000
i have um social media facebook

1284
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:09,599
instagram uh just melissa.tittle

1285
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:12,640
and then um you can look up my studio to

1286
00:45:16,829 --> 00:45:14,240
see when things are launching

1287
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:16,839
hackerstudios.com

1288
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:19,760
um and

1289
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:21,359
i think that's it

1290
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:23,200
yeah but you're pretty much everywhere

1291
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:24,960
somebody can just google you and they'll

1292
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:26,079
find you

1293
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:27,760
yeah apparently if you google me i'm

1294
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:30,079
worth like 20 million dollars oh really

1295
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:33,119
wow yeah my um my stepson brought that

1296
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:34,800
up to me he's like i heard you're worth

1297
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:37,040
20 million dollars it's crazy the stuff

1298
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:38,800
you find online once your name starts

1299
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:40,480
getting out there right and you've your

1300
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,079
name is out there so it's crazy the

1301
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:44,560
stuff that you'll you'll find right uh

1302
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:46,640
that's crazy louie do you have any final

1303
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:48,000
questions for a guest today no i just

1304
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,079
want to extend a really warm thanks

1305
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:52,079
melissa for coming on our show you're a

1306
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,599
powerhouse for women uh just in like tv

1307
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:57,839
and filmmaking but as well as the field

1308
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:59,599
of ufology and consciousness and

1309
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:01,520
everything uh we're super happy to have

1310
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:02,720
you on we'd love to have you back

1311
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:05,040
anytime if you have any cool new

1312
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,319
projects or anything in the future you

1313
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:08,480
want to discuss any time you're among

1314
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:10,000
family here we'd love to have you back

1315
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:11,520
so thanks again for being on our show

1316
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:14,480
and best of luck uh keep killing it